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(non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. Collectors tend to err toward a variation 2 style ERMA made and marked muzzle protector that is, interestingly a different mechanical design than the above, variation 1 spring tension muzzle protector that attaches to the barrel with a one-step process by sliding, then rotating clockwise, over the barrel sight band/blade assembly, then released in detent, held in place by spring tension. As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for 45aand What unit markings are on the pistol? They sure set off a display real nice. It has all matching parts to include the side plate and take down lever which were stamped again with the same 2 digits as before but on the front of each part like would would see on a military marked pistol. the Treaty of Versailles on German soil. RIA has no less than 19 rare Krieghoff Lugers including commercial and Luftwaffe military contract guns. Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946, other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster, a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster, an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group, Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles. I. German Police Forces during the Weimar Era, [This information is lifted almost verbatim from Weimar and Early Pictured are a few examples: These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular and shipped to Mauser in the great move of 1930. Pistols and Holsters. A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set, both signed by the original owner. Founded in 1999. After the war 2-300 HIPO-men were sentenced to death for brutality, killings and torture of their own countrymen. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? There is one other cut-back artillery LP.08 holster converted to a P.08 similar style holster, except that it is unmarked and, as such, cannot be associated with police use. The lower underlined rear cover statement of both volumes translates to: Furthermore, all books required for the use of the police schools in all areas of knowledge on the most favorable conditions are to be obtained from the assortment of the next edition. arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who This Police holster definitely was used in two different locations or districts as indicated by the S. Hn. Police Luger ? $1,000. German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some Additionally, based on Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. (he Americans actually did the same thing as most American Regiments did not have a "I" Company, but skipped from "H" Company to "J" Company) Constanzo got this one completely wrong, and the marking is definitely from the late '30's not '20s, and please disregard nonsense about the building # assignments. By the 19th century, disputes over the use of Fraktur or Antigua typeface became more heated and lasted until the middle of the 20th century. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. Muzzle protectors along with police Lugers have been identified with police markings Xd out. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. 18: . Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. 1: 506: Discontinued use of markings. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. Still further states: Reportedly, muzzle protectors were issued with some Prussian State Police Lugers. On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. formed mostly from former servicemen. 1374v. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue 2 St 16 - item 16 of the 2nd patrol unit. view 2 and The two-piece assembly can also be It does however have a small chip on the left pistol grip above the magazine release button and the magazine does not match (blue body, aluminum base "+" spare with "2" and w suffix) The dealer wants $1,200 firm but not sure if that is fair price. Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. Tim. Example 2. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. police issue 7-inch . The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and when exposed (1096) NOTE: Photographs taken today Pictured are the cover, page 1 and rear cover of a rare 1949 Berlin, German Police manual for the Landespolizeischule Erfurt or State Police School, Erfurt. Item Information. In Berlin, the German Police screwed the barrels out and replaced them with 9 mm barrels. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. German Army. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. RARE W.W.II GERMAN POLICE LUGER MAUSER HOLSTER - OTTO STUERTZ ALLENSTEIN. The Police holster rear is stamped with the P.08 pistol issue number or serial number 1021. links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; Berlin police group. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? It is, therefore, not necessary in some cases, as the above 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example shows, to modify these cut-back Artillery to Police holsters to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the leather flexibility, size and wall thickness varies between manufactures of WW1 Artillery holsters, specifically the cleaning rod pouches/sleeves from stiff, thick and less flexible leather to supple, thinner and more malleable leather, such as used with the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example. The variation 1 police marked 4mm sub caliber muzzle protector that can be installed in a single step seems more practical for use with the police cleaning rod. There are several markings on the holster. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. Mauser - Oberndorf, Germany&break;5. Thanks for the help. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. This has all matching numbers except for the proper grips and concentric ring, wooden base . Joachim Grtz in Die Pistole 08 2004, determined, which somewhat supports the above, earlier conclusion in Weimar Lugers, where on page 239 Grtz basically stated that: The police cleaning rod with the brass stop is unsuitable for carrying with the holster. rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? As to the luftamt I do not know, but the Army HZa's still equipped the Luftwaffe and Waffen SS, so it makes sense. Although, common to both cut-back Artillery holsters featured herein, as originally made, was the inability to close the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap over a fully inserted Police cleaning rod without modifications, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud on the subject example 1 unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location to the example 2, 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. rear threaded section to be rotated clockwise until it is snug against the rear Hardback with dust cover. Figure 47c shows a table or bench with several Police Lugers and accessories and particularly interesting in the foreground is a muzzle protector, next to three training rounds. Most of these went to the German Police. In actuality, both above statements are correct, as the first statement that a majority of the cut-back LP.08 holsters used by the police are without a police cleaning rod is accurate, however, in cannot be denied that some, at least one, in this instance, was modified (unsuccessfully), specifically to carry the police cleaning rod as evidenced the very rare subject example. August Weiss confirms that these pistols were sold by Mauser to the German Police; this solves my problem. Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- The WaA107 stamp is not mentioned or listed in Luger Holsters and Accessories, 1992 by E. Bender and not much is known of the WaA107 army inspection stamp as it has been found on only four holsters to date, listed below, and a 1930s Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector: Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866 with an additional, unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $150 . Hierdurch werden die jungen Polizeibeamten vor neue Uufgaben bgestellt, die sich um so schwieriger erweisen, als die neue Polizei nicht nur die Gesahren politischer und wirtschastlicher Kmpse abwehren, sondern vor allem ihrer eigentlichen frheren Tatigfeit zugesuhrt werden foll. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. though provides no picture. Made by Mauser in 1936 for German Army. Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. the transcription. They killed, tortured, blew up houses, factories and even Tivoli in Copenhagen, not for any other reasons than terrorism, ordered by Hitler personally and the Nazi occupation forces, getting more and more mad as the end came still nearer. Versailles, and after repeated demands by the IMKK, on June 29, 1921, the 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. Heinrich Krieghoff - Suhl, Germany At least six pre-production Lugers are known to exist. OK, now I'm getting confused again! The weirdest part is the stamp on the inside back panel. On the grip strap there are the markings L.Me.284. The holster was obtained with a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft Sunburst S (1932-36), specifically made to be used with police Lugers. Luger 1936 First Year after Sneak Codes. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. 413 or Landjgerei Gumbinnen; view 1 and view 2. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." (BSP) (Railway Protection Police) as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap being BAHN SCHUTZ and RBD/Rbd (ReichsBahnDirektionen) ESSEN (RUHR). 1. The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols book publications picture and describe cut-back artillery Luger holsters as specifically modified for police Luger carry, there are no Luger book published, period pictures of German Police with a cut-back artillery Luger holster, nor with any standard, non-police P.08 type Luger holster. Opinion 1: I have come across a very nice WW1 style holster that has some unusual markings. It is assumed that at the time of the conversion the holster was still brown. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. When reworking the chap. Polizei-Verwaltung Halle A/S.=Police Administration Halle A/S. is the only publication that is very specific as to its use, unfortunately, is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. There's a number "1" above the serial number on the base, which is indicative of police issued magazines, as the police numbered their magazines this way. introduced sometime in the late 1920s, and later in the early 1930s, many being police acceptance marked on the shaft. The holster, shown with pistol, is unusual as it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, however, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. Otherwise, the magazine has no proof stamps or markings besides the serial number. (A fairly common occurrence.) If instead of replacing and/or adding a brass stud, the leather worker, when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. had its own police buckle. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. The wooden cased German pistol cleaning kits were, apparently, not made exclusively for the P.08 Luger as a 1946 German police instruction manual titled: Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946 specifically lists several pistols, including the P.08, although other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, all used by the German Police after WW2. Chapter 1 Making Modern Germany Chapter 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks A noted holster collector and expert states after examining pictures of the subject unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster that: The cleaning rod leather section added to the subject Artillery cleaning rod pouch or sleeve, came from an original sleeve. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. Pictured is a brown leather 1939 dated Kern Klager & Cie Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. All of this happened between 1912 and 1926. Interestingly, this pistol was part of an early period, fancy wooden case, which included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. Taming the SFAR: How Ruger's Small-Frame .308 Runs Suppressed. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. stamping for another letter or number, but since the upper portion of the left side rectangle enclosure line is partially obscured by the steel washer, resulting in a light stamping, missing a possible letter or number, which is a result of stamping too close to the underside washer, securing the cover flap steel stud. Zone railway police used an earlier, relatively obscure 7.65 m/m caliber, FN Model 1922 pistol. The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. 2. This was removed and the hilt was shortened accordingly. Regarding the S. H.133. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. In the organization of the police, disorder is of decisive importance for the regulation of the individual types of police, without which the reconstruction of this direction, which is so important for the state life, would have been a problem. 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. Einwohnerwehr marked E W B on pistol grips and rifle butts. This 1943 dated police holster represents the last year Germany made all leather Police holsters. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. certain when the holster was modified, however, it was used by the German State Railway Protection Police, specifically the Bahnschutz or Bahnschutzpolizei the ministry's Official Directory provides clear, concise and easy-to-understand information to the police officers about their own rights and duties and how they are to deal with the daily demands of the service. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's This created a bit of a dust-up with the native Berber (also known as the Riff) tribes who joined forces and kicked some serious Spanish butt until France teamed up with Spain and finally put down the uprising. It is a matter of common courtesy to credit the past authors/collectors that for the last three decades have discussed the 29 DWM Lugers in the s, t and u suffix serial range. Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Polizeiwehr Box 7184, swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. the folded-over or closed holster body toe of the pictured 1924 example that twin belt loops were added to the holster rear. Pictured above are two books, Band I or Volume I that the item was issued to. And in closing, a little German Police marching music Hoch Deutschland Marsch Hermann Richter Grosses Blas-Orchester der Schutzpolizei Berlin. German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. by Igorak89 06 May 2016, 12:14, Post Luger wooden box cleaning kit ad[0]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/germanmilitaria.jpg'; Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. Feedback. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. which K.W.K. Borchardt C93 - produced 1893-1902. The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." The metal finish is in very good condition. Stay in the know. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in. The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. They appear to fall into two categories: P08s that always were P08s and P08s that were formerly unmarked Landjgerei LP08s (many 1918 DWM LP08s) that were reworked by the PTV in 1929-30 and reissued as P08s to the Landjgerei and other police. German: German Mfg. 1930s and beyond with a Weimar era made, seven ring wooden barrel handle cleaning rod, as mentioned, specifically made for use with police Lugers, Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. An identical pistol variation is aptly described, very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and. Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Army, Navy, Police. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. 1st model prototype. Featured is a WW2 police style holster marked WaAJL16 on the rear between the bell loops along with a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. As an example, a major Luger dealer, who occasionally offers The Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. Still 1993 on page 174, Fig. Weight . 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; Thus, unit marks give one some history about the items on which This particular Police bayonet has been described not as Dress bayonet because it has an issue number on both the bayonet and the scabbard and as such its not a dress bayonet, but a duty bayonet and that they wore these on Patrol. May be blued from 1923. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. luger1. regiments which supplied its guns. This example has all matching serial numbers. These consisted of the following city and 113-114 - A combination of new information and reconsideration leads me to believe that the Type 3 markings S.D.I, II, III, IV and VI represented the large Schupo commands in Essen, Wuppertal, Dsseldorf, Duisburg-Hamborn and Oberhausen, respectively. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. Knowledge is power, this applies to everyone who is in public life and strives forwards, but especially for the police officers, because his job brings him into close contact with the population every hour. droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the As Dwight's database shows, most of the blank toggle Lugers have "t" and "u" serial number suffixes. 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